Trip Planning: Movaje Trail [Archive]

RON CT110

01-19-2008, 09:24 AM

Now is probably the best time to start gathering interest and trip planning for the Mojave Trail tentatively scheduled in March.

Anyone interested?
What wkdn in March would work best for you?

Last year, folks drove down Thursday, stayed in a motel/hotel edge of the trail Thursday nite, and then started the trail ride Friday a.m., camped @ State Park near/on the Mojave trail Friday nite; and then more dessert driving next day Sat (all day), and then group car camping Sat nite in the dessert (bring Pett Wag Bag for you waste) or shovel. Continue driving Sun a.m. and headed home Sunday p.m. 4 days!

We can modify this for NCLR and drive down Friday, camp, start the trail ride Saturday, group car camp Saturnday nite, and then Sunday continue driving on the dessert but head north back to N. Cal.

Had a blast last year especially group camping dinner/fire/beverages shared! And if you like driving in the dessert, great trip!

Dbregman did a great job leading the trail so I hope he can make it.

Ok, any takers?

http://www.desertusa.com/mag99/nov/stories/mojavetrail.html
You Tube Short Clip Driving on the Mojave Trail last year: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkycFGB27kk

PCRover

01-19-2008, 03:23 PM

What is the lure of the Mojave trail?

Desertcrawler

01-19-2008, 04:24 PM

There is a great guidebook. And spots where you can see wagon ruts cut into the stone.

RON CT110

01-19-2008, 07:39 PM

X2 on history: http://www.desertusa.com/mag99/nov/stories/mojavetrail.html

But it's also what I am familiar with, so if we have a comparable Dessert driving trip I am game especially being closer to N. Cal - this might make a difference with NCLR attendance if closer.

As much as I enjoyed last years trip to Mojave, it was a long drive to and from!

Gary, tell me about another option; I am curious and very interested; good be other another especially being closer to N. Cal.

Mojave trip is actually a SCLR event (around May last time) and folks interest could tag along with SCLR and perhaps use March for something else. We have it in our calendar as tentative; a few folks showed interest at the time we were brainstorming for 2008 trips last year.

Gotrovr

01-19-2008, 09:20 PM

March 8th or 15th tenatively works for me

FYI, this is a great trip for the first timer or stock vehicles regarding an expedition style trip.

HMBRover

01-21-2008, 07:55 PM

Loads of great history plus over 100 miles of desert trail. Here's my pix from 2005. We did about 20 miles on the west end.

Looking East from the highest point on the trail

Looking West

Yes, I'd like to do all of it next time. Mid March is best.

PCRover

01-21-2008, 08:15 PM

Ok, Ok, I am convinced...I am in for a march trip if it comes to be.

Some one needs to step up and submit a trip request.

astateofmike

01-21-2008, 08:56 PM

I may be interested, depending on dates...

Also, who will pull me out of the car wash if I get stuck?

RON CT110

01-21-2008, 09:04 PM

I may be interested, depending on dates...

Also, who will pull me out of the car wash if I get stuck?

:D

Let's do this trip!

I can help plan (even submit the trip req) but someone needs to volunteer to be a trail leader. Really need to be good at GPS and map reading or have a co-pilot do this especially in the dessert as you could get turned around easily. Forest trails is not as hard for me to lead since their is a trail... but the dessert....

astateofmike

01-21-2008, 10:04 PM

A lot has to do with when, as I have to determine if the wife can come as if she can't, I am asking a lot of her with the baby and all.

Get some tenative dates together and lets see, as I would like to do this trail once before it closes....Based on the Mendo list narrative, looks like the rangers would like to see it shut down.

If I do go, is it possible to do in 3 days? Like drive out Friday and hit trail, camp, Sat on trail, camp, Sunday out and home?

Gotrovr

01-22-2008, 07:32 AM

:D

Let's do this trip!

I can help plan (even submit the trip req) but someone needs to volunteer to be a trail leader. Really need to be good at GPS and map reading or have a co-pilot do this especially in the dessert as you could get turned around easily. Forest trails is not as hard for me to lead since their is a trail... but the dessert....

I can handle trail leader/GPS duties with my laptop and topo 5, not sure about my availability, checking calander.........

Desertcrawler

01-22-2008, 08:00 AM

And if so, I've driven it from end to end before (except the lake which was too muddy). If I remember right, finding the trailhead (Arizona side) was tough. We got stuck in some farmers fields and had to dig ourselves out.

On the positive side, if you do start from Arizona there is plenty of motel/hotel type stuff in the area. There is also a great guidebook (think I have a copy) which details the trail mile by mile. Trail leader should most definetly have a copy.

Doable by stockers, no problem. Just a few tricky spots crossing sand washes. Risky area is the lakebed. If it gets muddy you can be stuck, and I mean real stuck, out there. Good to have buddies to tow you out cause there aren't any winching points.

Desertcrawler

01-22-2008, 08:04 AM

If I could put a bid in for the week of March 22, it would work well as March 21st is a vacation day for the kids at school (meaning we could leave late Thursday or early Friday morning)

Gotrovr

01-22-2008, 03:14 PM

If I could put a bid in for the week of March 22, it would work well as March 21st is a vacation day for the kids at school (meaning we could leave late Thursday or early Friday morning)

might be the ticket to parallel spring break

PCRover

01-22-2008, 05:19 PM

Those dates sound perfect to me. Lets get a trip leader assigned, a trip request submitted and approved so we can start publicizing this trip.

RON CT110

01-22-2008, 08:55 PM

More details to follow....I thinking so far....

NCLR on the Old Mojave Road
Friday, Saturday & Sunday, March 18-20, 2008

Trip Leader: Ron
Trail Leader: Will

Location: East Mojave National Preserve

Vehicle & Driver Requirements: OK for any stock Land Rover, and drivers of all experience levels.

Meeting Place & Driving Directions: Hole-In-The-Wall Campground (50 mi east of Ludlow, CA and 20 mi. north) - http://www.californiadesert.gov/additional.php?more=mojnat&act=ca

Directions: (from the SF Bay Area)
- Get to 99S
- Take 58E to 40E to Needles go 32.7 miles
- Turn onto Essex Road N (aprox. 14 miles).
- End at Hole-in-the-Wall Campground.

GPS Coordinates for the campground are:
Lat - N35ƒ02.602' Lon - W115ƒ23.707'

Details

Friday Night: top off gas @ Ludlow, CA; camping at Hole-in-the-Wall Friday. Sites $12.00 ea; 35 sites are first come-first serve.

Saturday Night: break camp 9am, Hit the trails (get on the other side of Soda Lake) in the morning and all afternoon. Backcountry car camping Sat night. Prepare to pack out everything that comes in with you. No toilets (bring Petts), and no water.

Sunday: Break camp 9am. Morning trail ride after b-fast and head home.

Meals:
Friday Dinner BYO

Saturday B-fast and Lunch BYO. Pot Luck maybe.

Sunday B-fast and Lunch BYO.

Note: It's the desert, bring lots of water.

Radio: CB # 7

Gotrovr

01-22-2008, 09:33 PM

So this trip can be run in 1-1/2 days?

Are we rushing the trip to fit within a 3 day or weekend time frame?

Is this based upon ideal conditions?

Can inclimate weather play a negative role in forward progress?

Do we need to preposition a truck with trailer say on the trail exit in the event of a catastrophic vehicle failure on the trail?

Desertcrawler

01-23-2008, 08:17 AM

So this trip can be run in 1-1/2 days?

1. Are we rushing the trip to fit within a 3 day or weekend time frame?

(probably so -- with Monday being a school Holiday I might plan on a 4 day weekend versus 3 days, but think it could be done in 3. Lots of commuting though to the trailhead..)

2. Is this based upon ideal conditions?

(I think the only place that is really impacted by weather typically is the lakebed. If it is too muddy (like the year I did it) it is undriveable.

3. Can inclimate weather play a negative role in forward progress?

See above. The great thing about this trail is that there are lots of "bailout" points to major highways. So if you run out of time, you can just exit the trail early. When we did the trail, it took us 2 solid days to make it to the lake. Once we hit the lake, and saw how muddy it was, we turned around and headed home. We also had a lot of time to allocate for camp set up and take down (new gear) it took us a good hour or so each day to break camp.

4. Do we need to preposition a truck with trailer say on the trail exit in the event of a catastrophic vehicle failure on the trail?

I think a truck, with a trailer, is a good idea. Possibly at trail end. But a good AAA+ card would be the ticket as well. Maybe the truck with trailer could be stationed at the nearest town, just in case it was needed...

RON CT110

01-23-2008, 05:19 PM

Yes, can be done, but alot more driving!

The prior 2 year (05 SCLR trip), SCLR had a trip exactly like this 1 1/2 day; started at Hole in the Wall. No trip for 06.

For 07 or last year, we can do like what SCLR did last year. Start on the Nevada side Thursday.

So this trip can be run in 1-1/2 days?

Are we rushing the trip to fit within a 3 day or weekend time frame?

Is this based upon ideal conditions?

Can inclimate weather play a negative role in forward progress?

Do we need to preposition a truck with trailer say on the trail exit in the event of a catastrophic vehicle failure on the trail?

PCRover

01-23-2008, 05:50 PM

Man that is a lot of I5 driving....How about an optional extended trail run somewhere else while we are down there?

HMBRover

01-23-2008, 06:12 PM

I have a couple questions ....

If I recall correctly and looking at a map, the Hole in the Wall campground is about half way along the trail (turn off at mile 56). So the plan is to do only from HITW west?

Could there be an option to run the trail from mile 0 near Ft. Mojave and meet the group at HITW? It would mean leaving the Bay area Thrusday and starting the trail early Friday morning to meet at HITW Friday evening. That's the part I haven't been on and would like to run.

Just a thought.

HMBRover

01-23-2008, 06:16 PM

Man that is a lot of I5 driving....How about an optional extended trail run somewhere else while we are down there?

We could do a couple days in Death Valley. :D

PCRover

01-23-2008, 06:32 PM

Brian, Two days on the trail sounds better to me. Do you have a link to a good map of the area?

Desertcrawler

01-23-2008, 07:24 PM

http://www.sobsoldwestproductions.com/mojave.htm#today

When Linda and I did it, we started on the Arizona side (mile 0) and then made it to Fort Piute (great camp place) on Day 1 (about 1/2 day). Then we went as far as the Lava Beds and stayed Day 2. Day 3 saw us drive out and head home after another 1/2 day of wheeling -- we did not cross Soda Lake because it was too muddy and we were a solo vehicle...

To do the whole trail, we'd probably want to leave on Thurs nite/ Friday morning, drive to Mile 0. Stop along the way at someplace like Oatman. Then probably camp along the trail Sat and Sun, returning Monday.

Otherwise, we'd have to choose which part of the trail to run -- or do a bit more fast wheeling then Linda and I did with the kids... We stopped a lot and looked at petroglyphs, etc...

Because it is possible to do "bailouts" along the way, we could probably arrange for people to meet us at certain spots or depart early. Of course, the trail could be done in reverse, the other way. I just thought it was cool to take it the same way the pioneers did heading West (plus it made the drive home a lot shorter!)

PCRover

01-23-2008, 08:16 PM

Thanks for the link. I would like to do the whole trail if at all possible. I am up for another day or more if required.

RON CT110

01-23-2008, 11:22 PM

[url]Because it is possible to do "bailouts" along the way, we could probably arrange for people to meet us at certain spots or depart early.

Of course, the trail could be done in reverse, the other way. I just thought it was cool to take it the same way the pioneers did heading West (plus it made the drive home a lot shorter!)

I like your idea to arrange for people to meet. Then you have folks like Gary who would like to do the whole trail, and folks like who has done part of it and would like to do it again but different part.

Last year, I meet folks @ Hole in the Wall on Friday, camped there, and headed East, crossed Soda Lake.....

Questions Chuck:
1) How long did it take you and Linda to get to "Mile 0" (AZ side) form the Bay Area?
2) And did you leave Thursday nite, and perhaps stopped and stayed in a motel or car camping before getting to Mile 0.
3) You camped @ Fort Piute pn Day 1 I read; where did you camp Day 2 ?
4) And on day 3, where did you end up?

Desertcrawler

01-24-2008, 08:40 AM

Hey Ron, here are your answers

1) How long did it take you and Linda to get to "Mile 0" (AZ side) form the Bay Area?

We actually didn't drive it direct. Instead, we left LA, and drove as far as Oatman, AZ (one of my favorite living ghost towns) and overnighted at a Motel 6 a bit past Oatman.

Then, we woke up and headed out to Mile 0. We got lost finding it. It was quite challenging. We actually got stuck in deep mud, had to air down to get out, and had to return for lunch and airing up before actually finding the true trailhead. So we didn't really start the trail per se until about 1pm or so. Then we drove to Fort Piute (Mile 23) and set up camp.

2) And did you leave Thursday nite, and perhaps stopped and stayed in a motel or car camping before getting to Mile 0.

I would think leaving Thursday, and overnighting, would split up the highway time quite a bit. Driving straight thru, without stopping and sightseeing along the way, would probably be 10 hours from the Peninsula.

3) You camped @ Fort Piute pn Day 1 I read; where did you camp Day 2 ?

We woke up and poked around the Fort Piute area in the morning (there are Petroglyphs all over the place around there). Then we overnited at Willow Wash, near Cinder Canyons lava flow. There was a great site which sheltered us from the blowing wind surrounded by lava -- if I recall we slept out under the stars. I do know there was road access near by.

4) And on day 3, where did you end up?[/QUOTE]

We got as far as the entrance to Soda lake. (Mile 97). We proceeded onto the lake about 1/4 of a mile, but started seeing mud and ruts and got scared to continue. Lots of horror stories about solo drivers getting stuck out there. With memories of our inauspicous weighing on our minds, we relucantly exited ( I think on a road that headed out towards ZZYZX springs). I think we were off the road by about 1pm, then we drove all the way back to the Bay Area.

So, my thoughts on your intinerary (assuming a Mile 0 start) would be:

Friday night, camp at Fort Piute (or maybe someplace else if it looked good)if it is available. This would require driving some distance on Thursday (maybe 4 or 5 hours) and another 5 hours on Friday, with an eye towards having 2 or 3 hours of daylight to head in the trail and set up camp. Piute seemed to be the best place for us to camp if I remember right.

Saturday, wheel the trail. Would need to pick a good place to overnight. Probably someplace in the mile 60 - 70 range.

Sunday, continue wheeling. Maybe set up camp someplace near end of trail, just before Soda possibly? Not sure what camping looks like around there possibly Afton Canyon area?

Monday, do the drive back to Bay Area.

I am not sure where that "Hole in the Wall Campground" is, but that might be a good rally point for Saturday night camping. I would also think a "exit" could be orchestrated so that people could leave the trail and do a drive back on Sunday as well, but would probably mean bypassing Soda Lake.

I do think that if you pushed it, whole trail could be done in 2 solid days. But taking it easy, and allowing for a larger group, a little more time might be allowed. Otherwise, it's a lot of setting up camp late at night and dark comes fast this time of year...

I will try and find my Mojave Road Guide and look for reccomended camp spots along entire length of trail so you guys can figure out good meet/exit points..

Desertcrawler

01-24-2008, 08:41 AM

Check this out. It is a bit old (I am pretty sure the Phone Booth is no longer). but has good coordinates.

http://www.dirtopia.com/wiki/Mojave_Road

HMBRover

01-24-2008, 10:57 AM

A bit late but here's a pretty good may from NPS: http://www.nps.gov/moja/planyourvisit/maps.htm

You can also get the Mojave Road Guide which has a mile-by-mile description and maps at the Desert USA store (http://www.desertusa.com/web_cart/db/pages/5094.html?gclid=CL69k9TTj5ECFSosagodM0lhGw). Or I have one if you want to borrow it.

Desertcrawler

01-24-2008, 12:01 PM

Whoever is trip leader needs to get a copy to use to plan things out.

Here are a few highlights:

It looks like an easy on to the trail would be at Mile 14, where it bisects 95. That would mean if we camped at Piute, it would be about 7 miles in on rough road to the campsite for late arrivers. I do remember the road being tricky to find in spots, so if Piute was defined as a rally point, we would probably want to leave out some signage for latecomers.

It looks like Afton Canyon camprgound (on the other side) would be a good place to overnight the last night (mile 121). It is a BLM campground. If road was run in reverse, it could be the rally point as well. Probably easy to find from the main road, I would assume.

Hole in the Wall campground might be a good midpoint place to camp (mile 56.1) but downside is that it is 10 miles off the trail (20 miles roundtrip). We midpointed at mile 80, (roughly) which is called the Lava flow area. Both of those areas would be pretty easy to access from a main road. Lava Flow would probably be more desolate and remote (no toilets, etc) while Hole in the wall I would assume to be more developed.

My guide is dated 1999, with a second printing in 2002. Does anyone have a more recent one?

RON CT110

01-24-2008, 12:47 PM

I am liking the collective effort here!

Ok, I am going to read this thread when I get back to the Bay Area tonight.

I am in Chicago right now and waiting for my flight back home at the O'hare Airport. It's was 1 degree early this morning! :eek: (shy away from being 0) - can't wait to get back home!

Desertcrawler

01-24-2008, 01:28 PM

Here is what the 1st campground would look like, to give you an idea of the ruggedness. I do remember it being quite Windy!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=awIm8y6mjF4

Looks like this guy did it over Christmas Eve... Here is a series of vids from him

Part 1 - Trailhead to Pauite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7lmbOFC6Js

Part II - Doesn't seem to be posted yet...

HMBRover

01-24-2008, 01:33 PM

Chuck, my printing says 2005. That's the year we did the trip.

There is another campground north of HITW just off the same road. When we were there in 2005 it had been burned out. According to the NPS website the Mid Hills Campground is operational with 26 camp sites. It's at 5600 ft elevation so cool. It's only about 3-4 miles off the Road. Sounds like a good bet.

Desertcrawler

01-24-2008, 01:49 PM

Your book must be more up to date than mine. I hope you are coming along!

HMBRover

01-24-2008, 03:32 PM

Your book must be more up to date than mine. I hope you are coming along!

Hope to. Recommended March dates are good with me so far. :)

RON CT110

01-25-2008, 06:29 AM

Hey Chuck or Brian, Iread over this thread. I'd suggest you one of you guys become the trip leader; Will already agreed to be the trail leader if needed.

I think with your combined experience, better position to submit the request and plan for this trip. I am planning to join this trip as a spectator and active participant. Plus support - I will bring my AAA card since it came in handy on my last trip on this dessert trail:)

Desertcrawler

01-25-2008, 09:07 AM

I'll add my perspective and provide as much help as I can, but it looks like I'll be trip leader for at least 2 other trips this year (one for SCLR at RR8, and another for NCLR at Gold Lake). Can't remember if Brian is already leading one yet or not, but I know he'd be great at it!

I think the real challenge to this will be setting up defined "meeting points" if people are not going to do the whole trail and join us mid-way. Otherwise, we can probably "play it by ear" a bit and camp whenever the group feels like it. Even with a 2 1/2 day schedule, a 140 mile trail start to finish is a lot of driving, so we might want to have a bit of flexibility built in based on road conditions.

My vote would be to:

-Run trail East to West. Guidebook is organized that way, and you see things the way the Jayhawkers did.

-Make first camp at Piute Springs Friday night - giving people option to join up with us by a certain time for breakfast if they get there by a certain time (ie 9am).

-From that point, we would push forward and find a good campsite around sundown (at least mile 70 or further would be best). Those developed sites, and the Lava Flow place would all be alternatives. We probably want a developed site, if anyone is going to join us on Saturday night. Latecomers would most likely catch us if the miss us at Piute we could cache at key spots updates on our group progress (like the mailbox).

-Camp near end of trail on Sunday, giving people option to drive home on Sunday if needed. (They probably would bail at Soda Lake to make it home, or depending on how far we make it on Saturday, might be able to do the whole thing).

Monday would be break camp, wheel a few miles to end of trail depending on where we camped (it looked like there was a developed BLM campground) -- and do the 8 - 9 hour drive back to Bay Area.

Waddya think?

Desertcrawler

01-25-2008, 09:21 AM

I am in for sure. Cleared it on the homefront, it's gonna be me and lilCrawler on a boys-only trip this time.

Bought one of those tent-cots from Cabella's to use on the trip, easy take up and take down so it won't be my condo tent slowing up the group!

PCRover

01-25-2008, 09:38 AM

Chuck, You can be the trip leader here, and not the trail leader. You are doing a great job of organizing everything here. Of Course Brian has lots of good info too so either of you would be great. I think Will mentioned he could be the Trail Leader if we need a separate one.

astateofmike

01-25-2008, 10:05 AM

I just got 2 tent cots, in doubles, from KampRite....so quick to set up and down. One for Boy and dog, one for girls....Of course, mine are aluminum and weigh 1/2 of the ones from Cabela. Interesting, turns out KampRite sold to Cabela's. then they quit buying and came out with their own version....

Desertcrawler

01-25-2008, 10:35 AM

Desertcrawler

01-25-2008, 06:33 PM

astateofmike

01-25-2008, 06:55 PM

Ended up going with the Cabela's version cause price was right and I liked all the reviews I read on their site. We will have to compare sometime. I think, if this works out, I will probably buy two of the singles (one for each kid) for when we do our next big "family" expedition.

Actually went to 3 different Big 5 sports shops and none of them had Camprite in stock...

I actually called the company and ended up meeting the GM in Sac. He helped transport mine down to me from Reno, since he was up there on business anyway. The thing I like about KampRite is aluminum poles (34 pounds for a double), vaulted roof, thin pad included and I got everything, double and rainfly for like $260 each.

I asked, as I was observing others buying and all....the Kamprite uses plastic and replaceable clips as opposed to the velcro and won't rust.

As I said, KampRite made the ones for Cabella's, then they started evolving and Cabellas started makeing their own version of the "original"...

I got 2 doubles....tall on the rack, but only 70 pounds for both doubles (Cabellas are 60 pounds each) 1500mm tent + 1500mm rainfly (3000mm) vs. the Cabella's extreme tent at 3500mm....

We shall do a field test one of these days.....I think the only real difference was the weight and the bowed top. It helps when I have to sit up to get out..

PCRover

01-25-2008, 07:06 PM

Do the form like you did for the Gold Lake trip!

Is there a new form someplace I need to fill out? I'm psyched and ready to run it!

PCRover

01-25-2008, 07:08 PM

Every time I was going to order one they were out of stock. Do they have them in stock now???

I actually called the company and ended up meeting the GM in Sac. He helped transport mine down to me from Reno, since he was up there on business anyway. The thing I like about KampRite is aluminum poles (34 pounds for a double), vaulted roof, thin pad included and I got everything, double and rainfly for like $260 each.

I asked, as I was observing others buying and all....the Kamprite uses plastic and replaceable clips as opposed to the velcro and won't rust.

As I said, KampRite made the ones for Cabella's, then they started evolving and Cabellas started makeing their own version of the "original"...

I got 2 doubles....tall on the rack, but only 70 pounds for both doubles (Cabellas are 60 pounds each) 1500mm tent + 1500mm rainfly (3000mm) vs. the Cabella's extreme tent at 3500mm....

We shall do a field test one of these days.....I think the only real difference was the weight and the bowed top. It helps when I have to sit up to get out..

PCRover

01-25-2008, 07:15 PM

Mike, Can you get me the personal delivery also so I can save the $36 shipping???

HMBRover

01-25-2008, 07:21 PM

Sorry guys. I've been off-line most of the day trying to configure a print server for the house. POS Hawking print server - don't buy one!

Anyway, Chuck, if you are willing to run this trip that's great. I'll support however I can. I'm not 100% sure I'll be able to make it but will certainly try.

Desertcrawler

01-25-2008, 08:57 PM

Cabella's extreme tent at 3500mm

yea thats what I want -- EXTREME tent. Mine has a drink holder inside, does yours?:D

astateofmike

01-25-2008, 10:07 PM

It has a cubby packet, so yes, a fifth of vodka will fit fine. Or do you need something that only comes in a can?

The Cabella's "Xtreme" tent, the one that can withstand 75mph winds is awesome, but 2 of us setting it up took a bit of time.....and too big...

I think Cot Tents; David, Ron, Carlos, you and me..it is starting to be a cult thing.

Desertcrawler

01-26-2008, 05:46 AM

My cot features:

-70-denier, 190T nylon taffeta
-600-denier polyester floor
-supported by a heavy-duty, powder-coated steel frame. F
-Full-coverage fly made of 75-denier, 190T polyester taffeta with a 1,500mm waterproof-rated coating
-A patent-pending rain-gutter system
-A crack-resistant roof window lets you fall asleep under the stars.
- cup holders

cmon, don't you remember what it cost to add cup holders to the Disco as a factory option?

I do know it is big (weighs like 50 pounds for the double) and there is a cross bar running down the middle of the double that some people complained about. I bought a sleeping pad to lay over it to make it feel better (and protect against the chill)...

But tough to put up? Cmon..

codynt

02-08-2008, 12:46 PM

Oh yea, I'm in for this trip, will be great to go back there!

astateofmike

02-08-2008, 12:59 PM

"The Double" is exactly that. Kamp-Rite's ultra-comfy, two-person Tent Cot!
Longer than a Queen-size bed & nearly as wide, The Double comfortably supports up to 500lbs! Each sleeping quarter has it's own entry point and 3/8" foam sleep pad. And, like all our aluminum frame Tent Cots, The Double is made of durable 210D poly-oxford fabric with a PU (1500mm) waterproofed coating. Add the dome top and "no-see-um" netting and you've got comfort camping at it's best!

Dimensions of "The Double"
Bed Size: 84"L X 52"W
Tent Size: 84"L X 53"W X 40"H
Folded Size: 53"L X 32"W 9"D
Weight: 36 lbs

Included Accessories for "The Double" include:
Waterproof Seal taped Rainfly

Has that same bar down the middle, but will get a pad over the top and not be bothered either...

Disco X

02-10-2008, 05:25 PM

Not sure if I can get the time off but would like to go if there's room. Any excuse to load gear on the disco:D. Really I've been to Mojave twice and amazed at all the trails.

Desertcrawler

02-10-2008, 07:02 PM

go ahead and register guys so we get a good count. Remember it is over Easter, so if you get Good Friday or Monday off thats only one extra day to take...

monty

02-12-2008, 09:08 PM

i've done this trail from the nevada border into cal. it was 145 or so miles all off road back in 2002. i'm seriously considering this trip as long as the rover is willing.

LATEAPEX

02-14-2008, 12:03 PM

Im am interested in possibly joining you guys on this trip. I have a buddy of mine that wants to tag along but he has a land cruiser. My question is can non members join the trip?

Gotrovr

02-14-2008, 02:49 PM

Gary correct me if necessary

Club Santioned Trips: (i.e. Mojave Trip) Members can bring along a driving guest (any vehicle), however the driving guest can only attend one trip. Family members that reside at the same household are not considered guests.

Open Trips: (i.e. Open Monthly Gathering at Hollister Hills) Members can bring along any number of driving or non driving guests (any vehicle).

Paid Entry Club Santioned Trips: (i.e. Annual Club Gathering) Members and immediate family are allowed to bring along NON driving guests only, no driving guests . However in some instances and in the best interest and benefit of the club, the BOD shall reserve the right to offer a special invite for any guest (i.e. a guest speaker).

LATEAPEX

02-14-2008, 03:04 PM

Club Santioned Trips: (i.e. Mojave Trip) Members can bring along a driving guest (any vehicle), however the driving guest can only attend one trip. Family members that reside at the same household are not considered guests.

ok cool!

does he need to register? or how does that portion work?

Gotrovr

02-14-2008, 03:08 PM

ok cool!

does he need to register? or how does that portion work?

The registration process should include a check box with info on invited guest and vehicle information, not sure?, or you can e-mail or call trip leader with your guest info

LATEAPEX

02-14-2008, 03:37 PM

The registration process should include a check box with info on invited guest and vehicle information, not sure?, or you can e-mail or call trip leader with your guest info

awesome thanks! im new to the club and events

PCRover

02-14-2008, 03:46 PM

Close enough Will. :D

Note also that all guests will be required to sign a NCLR liability waiver and abide by NCLR rules etc.

Gary correct me if necessary

Club Santioned Trips: (i.e. Mojave Trip) Members can bring along a driving guest (any vehicle), however the driving guest can only attend one trip. Family members that reside at the same household are not considered guests.

Open Trips: (i.e. Open Monthly Gathering at Hollister Hills) Members can bring along any number of driving or non driving guests (any vehicle).

Paid Entry Club Santioned Trips: (i.e. Annual Club Gathering) Members and immediate family are allowed to bring along NON driving guests only, no driving guests . However in some instances and in the best interest and benefit of the club, the BOD shall reserve the right to offer a special invite for any guest (i.e. a guest speaker).

Desertcrawler

02-15-2008, 07:22 AM

We have 5 rigs officially registered, another guy from SLCR who may be joining us as a prospective member, and I see other posts of interest here and on LRR forums that haven't registered yet.

I bought a new GPS and some mapping software, and have created a custom "route" including GPS points of interest for petroglyphs, etc.. Does anyone have Bill Mann's Volume 1 book on the Mojave Desert (now out of print)? I am looking for GPS coordinates for:

Kelso Station
Delores Holland
Desert Megaphone

I ordered one from a used book store, but am not sure if the edition I am getting will have the coordinates I am looking for in it like Vol 2 does.

Also, if anyone is interested, I can post up my Lowrance .USR file for conversion to other formats if you have a GPS that allows download of trail/waypoint information. I believe it can also be viewed via GoogleEarth, if you convert it using GPSBabel...